Derek
Jeter today passed Honus Wagner (3,431 to 3,430) to put himself sixth on the
all-time hits list, and become the leader for hits at that position all-time.
His career stats, over 20 years:
Overall (position all-time)
Games:
2,704 (28th)
At Bats:
11,031 (12,423 plate appearances) – (7th)
Lifetime
Average: .311 (OBP: 379, SLG: 442, OPS: .821, OPS+: 116) – (70th)
Runs:
1,914 (10th)
Hits:
3,431 (6th)
Doubles:
537 (35th)
Triples:
66 (433rd)
Home
Runs: 259 (191st)
RBIs: 1,291
(116th)
BB:
1,076 (85th)
Fielding
Pct: .976 (15th)
Post
Season (16 Years)
Games:
158
At
Bats: 650 (734 plate appearances)
Lifetime
Average: .308 (OBP: 374, SLG: 465, OPS: 838)
Runs:
111
Hits:
200
Home
Runs: 20
RBIs:
161
BB: 66
SO: 135
WAA:
31.8
RAR: 750
WAR:
72.5
Looking
specifically at shortstops, arguably the most taxing position on the field
(beside the catcher), Jeter is third in home runs (behind Ripken and Tejada),
first in hits (ahead of Wagner, Ripken, Yount and Visquel), first in runs,
fifth in games played (behind Ripken, Vizquel, Yount and Wagner), fifth in
batting average (behind Wagner, Vaughan, Garciappara and Sewell), seventh in
RBIs, fifth in walks and first in strikeouts (to be fair), and fifth in OPS.
His fielding percentage is up there with the best ever and he was an
exceptional post-season player and team captain for many years now. As he
continues his farewell tour, the question becomes whether he will go down as
the greatest ever?
The
most obvious challenger is Honus Wagner, one of the greatest hitters of all
times. His lifetime average of .358 trails only the great Ty Cobb (.367), he
had only one less hit than Jeter over his 21-year career, with 600 less at
bats, more doubles (640 versus 537), substantially more triples (252 versus
66), way more RBIs (1,762 vs. 1,291), far fewer strikeouts (327 vs. 1,818),
twice as many stolen bases (722 vs. 356) and a better OPS (.858 vs. .821). In
regards to fielding, his overall percentage was lower at .947, but his modern
stats are better as well: WAA: (92.0 vs. 31.8), RAR (1238 vs. 750) and WAR (131
vs. 72.8). That last stat, of wins against replacement, puts Wagner tenth and
Jeter a distant 83rd. However, if we compare their 162-game
averages, the numbers look closer:
Jeter:
118 runs, 207 hits, 53 extra base hits, 79 RBIs, 22 steals, .313 (.831 OPS)
Wagner:
101 runs, 198 hits, 58 ebhs, 100 RBIs, 42 steals, .328 (.858 OPS)
One big
difference between the two, beside Jeter arguably being a better fielder, is
that Wagner only got to play in 15 postseason games (with only the world series
played during his career) and his number were way down in those games (one
title to his name). But Wagner is considered one of the greatest hitters of all
times and I think few would put Jeter in that category.
A few
other challengers to the thrown include Ozzie Smith (though his .262 average,
average of two homers and 50 RBIs a year and one World Series ring makes him
more interesting as the best defensive shortstop), Cal Ripken (who hit more
homers and, obviously, played in more games but lacks falls below in many of
the other batting categories) and Rodriguez and Ernie Banks played less than 50
percent of their games at that position (in fact, Wagner played over 30 percent
at other positions himself).
Looking
specifically at a favored stat these days, here are the top 10 shortstops in
career Wins Against Replacement (from two sources, courtesy of Bleacher
Report):
RANK
|
bWAR
|
SHORTSTOP
|
fWAR
|
SHORTSTOP
|
1
|
119.8
|
Honus
Wagner
|
127.2
|
Honus Wagner
|
2
|
95.5
|
Cal Ripken Jr.
|
92.5
|
Cal Ripken Jr.
|
3
|
77.0
|
Robin Yount
|
73.8
|
Derek Jeter
|
4
|
76.5
|
Ozzie Smith
|
72.7
|
Luke Appling
|
5
|
74.4
|
Luke
Appling
|
72.6
|
Arky Vaughan
|
6
|
73.0
|
Arky
Vaughan
|
67.7
|
Barry
Larkin
|
7
|
71.5
|
Derek Jeter
|
67.6
|
Ozzie Smith
|
8
|
70.3
|
Alan
Trammell
|
66.6
|
Joe Cronin
|
9
|
70.3
|
Barry
Larkin
|
66.5
|
Robin Yount
|
10
|
66.3
|
Joe Cronin
|
64.5
|
Lou
Boudreau
|
11
|
66.2
|
Pee Wee Reese
|
63.7
|
Alan Trammell
|
12
|
63.1
|
Lou
Boudreau
|
61.3
|
Pee Wee
Reese
|
13
|
56.9
|
Bobby
Wallace
|
55.5
|
Joe Tinker
|
14
|
55.5
|
Luis
Aparicio
|
49.2
|
Dave
Bancroft
|
15
|
53.7
|
Joe Sewell
|
49.1
|
Luis
Aparicio/Bobby Wallace (tie)
|
Jeter
is third according to FanGraphs, but only seventh in Baseball Reference. And as
you might also notice, Wagner is first on both lists. Thus it appears Wagner is
the only legitimate contender to keep his place as the best shortstop of all
time. Comparing players in different eras is, of course, wrought with problems,
but it might be fair to say that Wagner played his entire career during the
“dead ball” era and still hit for average, drove in more runs, struck out far
less and stole bases at a substantially better level. Jeter won more titles
(five versus one) and might be a marginally better fielder, but baseball is
never won by one player alone.
And so,
while Jeter is a close second, I still have Honus Wagner (and his $1 million
baseball card) as the greatest shortstop of all time.
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